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In the Land of the Midnight Sun

Greenland has one the world’s most expansive ice sheets, second in size only to Antarctica. Here, in the last frontier for many experienced travelers, lie the uninhabited and lonely stretches of nature at its most magnificent. The world has long glamorized Greenland for being destitute; remember Walter Mitty’s famous landing in a crumbling Nuuk? In reality, the country offers up a mix of mystery, history, scenery and wildlife—redefining Arctic cool. Today’s Greenlanders live in primary-colored cottages in Nuuk, the capital city of 17,000, or in smaller fishing communities dotting the coast where musk-oxen graze on Arctic flowers and trees are very few and far between. Despite being less green than its name implies, Greenland, bathed in the northern lights and midnight sun, is a photographer’s dream destination. Home to Arctic foxes, wolves, caribou, reindeer, puffins, bearded seals, whales and polar bears. Roughly the size of California, Oregon, Washington, Idaho and Utah combined, only about 20 percent of the island is inhabited, and nearly 90 percent of its 57,000 residents are descendants of the Inuit people who hunted and fished in this oft-frozen oasis long before Erik the Red and the Vikings arrived in the 10th Century. From the colossal fjords anchored in seas of floating ice to the thunderous calving glaciers encroaching upon the vast tundra, this is a landscape that is alive and humbling—a place where egos go to die.

Depending on your time and budget, we have 8-day or 10-day itineraries for you. The 10-day trip includes air travel to Nuuk, and an optional flight, for an additional fee, to the top of the ice sheets to visit large glacial lakes – only accessible by helicopter. You can select either itinerary, with options, while booking below.

This is Big Chill’s 8-Day itinerary. Please remember to select your preferred itinerary during the checkout process below.

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Day 1: Arrive in Iceland

 Typically, flights into Iceland arrive early in the morning. We will arrange transportation for you to get from the airport to the hotel in Reykjavik after you land. You will be able to leave your bags at the desk while you explore Reykjavik until check-in time. Our first meet-up of the Big Chill Adventure team will be in the hotel lobby, and then we head out for dinner at our favorite restaurant in Reykjavik. After dinner everyone is free to explore the town on your own or rest up in your room before we meet first thing in the morning for breakfast. If you are interested in arriving a day early and being on your own, resting up or exploring, we can help you find accommodations and transport into town.
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Day 2: Ilullisat

We will fly to Ilullisat, Greenland on an Air-Iceland domestic flight leaving from Reykjavik city airport. After checking in our bags and a light lunch we will head to the Jakobshavn Isbrae – the fastest moving glacier in Greenland and UNESCO World Heritage sight. The easy walk will bring us right to the shoreline where an old settlement was discovered, used by both the Viking and Inuit people. The shoreline is littered with stranded icebergs and the fjord filled with 100-500m icebergs. The overlook provides a place to relax, drink something warm, and chat about the local geology, glaciology and ecology. And photograph an iconic and transient phenomena. On the way back to town, we will stop at the sled dog area where the whole region’s sled dog kennels take up several square miles of tundra. We will arrange to view a feeding where we can witness the interaction of the sled master and his working dogs.

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Day 3: Eqi Sermia

Our first excursion will be to Eqi Sermia, where a large calving glacier will give you a feel of the scale and energy involved in how glaciers make icebergs. The early morning boat trip with a light breakfast takes several hours and there is a high possibility that we will spot whales amongst the icebergs. The boat brings us right to the face of the glacier, where we will have lunch and spend 1 1/2 – 2 hours watching and listening for an amazing calving to happen before our eyes. We will continue our boat journey along the coast of Disko Island, where we will look for whales migrating through Disko Bay. Our day will end at Qeqertarsuaq, a fishing village with a rich Inuit and Danish history.

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Day 4: Disko Island

Today we explore Disko Island. Geologically Disko Island is far younger and different than the mainland. The island mostly consists of high and steep basalt mountains that were created by volcanic activity 25-65 million years ago. The name Qeqertarsuaq means “the great island”, however the Danish name, Disko, refers to the shape of the island. Qeqertarsuaq (also known as Godhavn) is one of two towns on the entire island, the other is the small village of Kangersluk (Diskofjord). Today we will split into two groups if needed—a hiking group and a leisurely group. Those who want to experience dog sledding and a longer hike will head up to the small ice cap, the group that wants to experience waterfalls, rock formations and rivers from low elevation will stay in town. Our evening will depend on the local boat schedule – either heading back to Ilullisat or spending a second night on Disko.

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Day 5: Ilulissat

Our boat trip back to Ilulissat will have us back in town today, giving us time to explore the area around Ilulissat. Depending on boat timings, we will have come back around midnight the previous evening or by midday today. This day may include a visit to the local Inuit workshop where locals are carving Tupilaks, the small art museum featuring Greenlandic artists and the artist in residence or just relaxing on the deck at the hotel watching the icebergs drift by. We will have an opportunity to either walk or take a short boat trip to Rodebay where we will have dinner and we will arrange for a group to perform some of the Inuit drum ceremonies.

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Day 6: Kangerlussuaq

After breakfast we will say goodbye to Ilullisat and hello to Kangerlussuaq. We will be met in Kangerlussuaq by our local contacts in the Inuit community. Our friends use traditional techniques in utilizing flora and fauna in crafts, clothing, food and medicine. We will take two excursions with our friends to the foreground of the Greenland ice sheet. On this first day, we will use 4×4 jeeps to travel into the tundra where we will get a short lesson in local flora and how it is used in cooking and herbal remedies. It will also provide our first real look at the ice sheet, which has been described as a “tsunami of ice”. The ice melt provides incredible waterfalls and rivers, and a flood plain frequented by the only wild muskox herd in southern Greenland. We will hope to see some of these muskox. On our return there will be plenty of time to explore town including the local museum.

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Day 7: Kangerlussuaq

After breakfast we will head once again to the ice sheet. We will have three short walking excursions to witness Greenland’s amazing geology. First, a trip to a glacial lake that catastrophically drains regularly, with icebergs actively produced by the ice margin. Second, a walk down to the ice margin where an ice cave has formed on top of a garnet-bearing schist. And finally, a walk onto the ice sheet at the shallowest section. The ice is rough enough that we don’t need crampons and the small supraglacial rivers can be easily walked over. We will bring plenty of warm drinks and good food so we can eat picnic style at any time along the way. We will keep our eyes out for muskox, arctic hare and arctic fox. When we are tired and ready to head back we will get back in the 4×4’s and head to town for a gourmet dinner at Roklubben.

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Day 8: Reykjavik

Unfortunately, this is our departure day. We will head to Reykjavik on a direct Air Iceland flight arriving at the domestic city airport. We will arrange transport to a local hotel or to the international airport.

This is Big Chill’s 10-Day itinerary. Please remember to select your preferred itinerary during the checkout process below.

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Day 1: Arrive in Iceland

 Typically, flights into Iceland arrive early in the morning. We will arrange transportation for you to get from the airport to the hotel in Reykjavik after you land. You will be able to leave your bags at the desk while you explore Reykjavik until check-in time. Our first meet-up of the Big Chill Adventure team will be in the hotel lobby, and then we head out for dinner at our favorite restaurant in Reykjavik. After dinner everyone is free to explore the town on your own or rest up in your room before we meet first thing in the morning for breakfast. If you are interested in arriving a day early and being on your own, resting up or exploring, we can help you find accommodations and transport into town.
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Day 2: Ilullisat

We will fly to Ilullisat, Greenland on an Air-Iceland domestic flight leaving from Reykjavik city airport. After checking in our bags and a light lunch we will head to the Jakobshavn Isbrae – the fastest moving glacier in Greenland and UNESCO World Heritage sight. The easy walk will bring us right to the shoreline where an old settlement was discovered, used by both the Viking and Inuit people. The shoreline is littered with stranded icebergs and the fjord filled with 100-500m icebergs. The overlook provides a place to relax, drink something warm, and chat about the local geology, glaciology and ecology. And photograph an iconic and transient phenomena. On the way back to town, we will stop at the sled dog area where the whole region’s sled dog kennels take up several square miles of tundra. We will arrange to view a feeding where we can witness the interaction of the sled master and his working dogs.

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Day 3: Eqi Sermia

Our first excursion will be to Eqi Sermia, where a large calving glacier will give you a feel of the scale and energy involved in how glaciers make icebergs. The early morning boat trip with a light breakfast takes several hours and there is high possibility that we will spot whales amongst the icebergs. The boat brings us right to the face of the glacier, where we will have lunch and spend 1 1/2 – 2 hours watching and listening for an amazing calving to happen before our eyes. We will continue our boat journey along the coast of Disko Island, where we will look for whales migrating through Disko Bay. Our day will end at Qeqertarsuaq, a fishing village with a long Inuit and Danish history.

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Day 4: Disko Island

Today we explore Disko Island. Geologically Disko Island is far younger and different than the mainland. The island mostly consists of high and steep basalt mountains that were created by volcanic activity 25-65 million years ago. The name Qeqertarsuaq means “the great island”, however the Danish name, Disko, refers to the shape of the island. Qeqertarsuaq (also known as Godhavn) is one of two towns on the entire island, the other is the small village of Kangersluk (Diskofjord). Today we will split into two groups if needed—a hiking group and a leisurely group. Those who want to experience dog sledding and a longer hike will head up to the small ice cap, the group that wants to experience waterfalls, rock formations and rivers from low elevation will stay in town. Our evening will depend on the local boat schedule – either heading back to Ilullisat or spending a second night on Disko.

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Day 5: Ilulissat

Our boat trip back to Ilulissat will have us back in town today, giving us time to explore the area around Ilulissat. Depending on boat timings, we will have come back around midnight the prior evening or by midday today. This day may include a visit to the local Inuit workshop where locals are carving Tupilaks, the small art museum featuring Greenlandic artists and the artist in residence or just relaxing on the deck at the hotel watching the icebergs drift by. We will have an opportunity to either walk or take a short boat trip to Rodebay where we will have dinner and we will arrange for a group to perform some of the Inuit drum ceremonies.

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Day 6: Kangerlussuaq

After breakfast we will say goodbye to Ilullisat and hello to Kangerlussuaq. We will be met in Kangerlussuaq by our local contacts in the Inuit community. Our friends use traditional techniques in utilizing flora and fauna in crafts, clothing, food and medicine. We will take two excursions with our friends to the foreground of the Greenland ice sheet. On this first day, we will use 4×4 jeeps to travel into the tundra where we will get a short lesson in local flora and how it is used in cooking and herbal remedies. It will also provide our first real look at the ice sheet, which has been described as a “tsunami of ice”. The ice melt provides incredible waterfalls and rivers, and a flood plain frequented by the only wild muskox herd in southern Greenland. We will hope to see some of these muskox. On our return there will be plenty of time to explore town including the local museum.

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Day 7: Kangerlussuaq

After breakfast we will head once again to the ice sheet. We will have three short walking excursions to witness Greenland’s amazing geology. First, a trip to a glacial lake that catastrophically drains regularly, with icebergs actively produced by the ice margin. Second, a walk down to the ice margin where an ice cave has formed on top of a garnet-bearing schist. And finally, a walk onto the ice sheet at the shallowest section. The ice is rough enough that we don’t need crampons and the small supraglacial rivers can be easily walked over. We will bring plenty of warm drinks and good food so we can eat picnic style at any time along the way. We will keep our eyes out for muskox, arctic hare and arctic fox. When we are tired and ready to head back we will get back in the 4×4’s and head to town for a gourmet dinner at Roklubben.

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Day 8: Nuuk

After breakfast, we will stop in to say goodbye to our new found friends in “Kanger” and board a short 55 minute flight to Nuuk, the capital city of Greenland in the Godthaabsfjord. The regional geology of Godthaabsfjord hosts the Isua Greenbelt, rocks that are 3.8 billion years old! On this first afternoon in Nuuk, we will make a choice about what we would like to do in the afternoon. For those who have signed up, we will take a helicopter to the top of the ice sheet. Here, the ice sheet margin is all glaciers dumping into the sea or onto large flood plains. This sector of the ice is also very special in that there are large (mile wide) supraglacial lakes accessible by helicopter. We will also have the opportunity to explore the capital city, visiting some local Inuit women who still make the national costume by hand, the cultural center and art museum.

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Day 9: Kapisillit

After breakfast, we will have an exciting adventure. An open boat ride will take us to Kapisillit through a beautiful icefjord. We spend around 2 hours on the boat, bringing us to an area filled with icebergs and old viking settlements. We will walk around a local fishing village giving us an opportunity to see first hand how the remote fishing villages of Greenland are adapting to the 21st century. On the way back to the capital city, we will stop for dinner in Qooqqut, at Restaurent Qooqqut Nuan. Great chefs pre-
pare food with local ingredients of fish and caribou/reindeer.

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Day 10: Reykjavik

We will head to Reykjavik on a direct Air Iceland flight arriving at the domestic city airport. We will arrange transport to a local hotel or to the international airport. 

Overview

TOUR DATES  8 Day Trip:
15 – 22 June 2018
($5,250)
 10 Day Trip:
15 – 24 June 2018
($8,000)
ARRIVAL/DEPARTURE LOCATION Reykjavik, Iceland
TRIP HIGHLIGHTS  Jakobshavn Isbrae, UNESCO World Heritage Site
 Interact with sled dogs and dog sledding
 Cooking with local ingredients
 Walking in the tundra and wildlife viewing
 Active calving glaciers
INCLUDED  All transport within the destination
All activities and entrance fees
All accommodation
Food and non-alcoholic beverages
NOT INCLUDED   International flights

Additional Information

Trip Leaders

Your trip will be led by Big Chill Adventures co-founders Sarah Aciego and Mindy Cambiar – expert glaciologist/geologist and photographer. Have your questions answered on the spot and in person.

Hikes

Can be long or short, strenuous or moderate; no technical skills required. Hiking is an optional activity at all locations, with the exception of the Disko Island Icecap and dogsledding. This optional activity requires a strenuous hike (2 hours each way) . However, the other walking trails on Disko Island are beautiful and not strenuous.

Optional Activities (please indicate your interest at the time of booking):

  • Midnight-sun kayaking with icebergs
  • Deep-sea fishing
  • Dogsledding
  • Helicopter to icesheet plateau and supraglacial lakes (additional $900/pp)

Where do I sleep?

Because Big Chill Adventures takes participants ‘off the beaten track and off the big tour bus’, you won’t always stay in city-style hotels. Accommodations can take several forms:

Hotels

Most accommodations are in 3 or 4 star hotels. Returning to the comforts of a warm, soft bed and a shower make kayaking amongst icebergs or hiking on the icesheet much more enjoyable. In the hotels we stay in, every room has a private bathroom with a shower.

Bed and Breakfasts

In many towns we visit there are no traditional, large hotels that we think have the level of quality beds and atmosphere that we want clients to experience. Often, a more welcoming experience comes from a local B&B or farm stay. In the rare occasions that we stay in a B&B or farm stay, many rooms do not have private bathrooms available. However, we never share with more than two other rooms and rarely with people outside of the Big Chill Adventures group.

Private Cabins

Many of the farm stays and rustic locations have small cabins or cottages instead of a main hotel or lodge. In this case, each single guest, couple, or family will have their own cabin with a private bathroom.

Shared accommodation (traditional huts) or Glamping

Our most rustic and roughing it experience comes when we spend the night out away from a town. This may be because of a multi-day dogsledding trip or to get deep into the mountains. In either case, this experience will be a little more rugged. Guests will be provided with the best cots and sleeping bags that Big Chill Adventures have, will enjoy a warm cooked meal with the group, and share a room with others from the group. No showers are available (but it’s so cold that you probably wouldn’t want one anyway!). And toilets are either a pit toilet or camp toilet.

Getting Around

Getting around in locales with inclement weather (or geology) can be tough, so we use multiple modes of transportation.

Aircraft

Once the trip starts, your all-inclusive adventure will include air travel, which may include helicopter and twin engine commercial planes. For most places in the Arctic, runways are quite short, so there are few places with runways long enough for a jet airplane.

4WD Vehicles

For the rough roads in these off-the-beaten path locations, we use the best 4WD vehicles that we can obtain. In Iceland, we drive a 5-7 passenger SUV (Toyota Landcruiser, Nissan Patrol, or Land Rover) equipped with large tires and high clearance. In Greenland, it is more difficult to obtain comfortable SUVs, but the distances we cover are much shorter. Usually we drive one 4-door Toyota Hilux per four people. The advantage of the Hilux pickup truck is that we can use the truck bed to observe muskox and caribou without the doors and windows obstructing our view and still be safe.

Boat

Sometimes we get in a boat for fun – kayaking amongst the icebergs or whale-watching! And sometimes we get in a boat for both fun and transport. Transport by boat can be a ferry, closed Targa (with an outside deck), or an open speed boat.

Traveling with Foodies

Everyone at Big Chill Adventures loves good food, good wine and good company. While they aren’t vegetarians, they respect different food choices and values so they will accommodate food preferences as long as they know what you love (and what you hate)! They can also accommodate gluten-free allergies if you let them know ahead of time.

Packing List

HIKING BOOTS OR SHOES: Comfortable, lightweight and water repellent. Many companies make lightweight hiking boots that are moderately priced. Make sure these are well broken in, especially if all leather, before your trip. If you prefer strenuous hiking, you may want to invest in rugged hiking boots. You should put a coat of waterproofing compound on your boots before arriving at your destination.

WATERPROOF TALL BOOTS (Wellies, Goloshes): Something completely waterproof for extreme wet-weather, getting close to waterfalls, crossing streams, or walking through tall, wet brush or grass. We recommend something with a sticky tread.

FLIP-FLOPS OR SANDALS: While it is infrequently warm enough to be outside barefoot, we often find hot springs or hot tubs for soaking and warming up. We recommend a pair of rubber sandals or flip-flops for navigating the ground/showers/bathrooms that may be our entrance to the hot pools.

DAY PACK: This will come in handy for day hiking and van travel. This is not a frame pack but a smaller daypack variety with two shoulder straps that you carry on your back and large enough to hold rain gear, an extra sweater, water bottle, lunch, binoculars and anything else you would take on a day hike.

RAIN GEAR: During kayak excursions, group canoe paddles and explorations on foot, a good quality rain suit (both top and bottom) is a must to keep you warm and dry. Rain suits should be made of coated nylon with factory-sealed seams. The expensive Gore-tex variety is not really necessary; however, you may opt for this if you think you may have use for it again. Heavy rubberized rain gear will keep you dry, but it is bulky and weighty to carry. Please do NOT bring a plastic or vinyl rain suit or poncho; these tend to tear easily and quickly become useless when hiking and rafting.

PANTS: Two to three; one pair made of quick-drying, synthetic material. Include a pair of shorts, just in case!

SHIRTS: Two to three, mostly long-sleeved. A long-sleeved, light colored, tightly woven shirt is helpful for bug and sun protection. Bring at least one non-cotton hiking shirt, preferably two – one long-sleeved and one short-sleeved.

WARM JACKET / SWEATER / VEST: Synthetic fleece or wool jacket and a sweater make great layers for warmth. A fleece or wool vest helps take the early morning or late night chill off.

INSULATED JACKET: A lightweight down jacket that can be packed into a small space works well as an extra layer when the temperature drops.

WOOL OR SYNTHETIC FLEECE HAT: You won’t be sorry you brought this!

WOOL OR SYNTHETIC GLOVES: To keep your fingers warm while hiking, boating or photographing outside.

BRIMMED HAT: For sun protection. Some who don’t enjoy a hooded jacket prefer a rain hat.

SOCKS: Two pairs of heavy weight wool or synthetic socks for cold weather, plus adequate lightweight hiking socks to meet your personal needs.

LONG UNDERWEAR: Two sets of polypropylene, capilene or thermax tops and bottoms are recommended. Synthetic fabrics are designed to keep you warm even when wet, wicking moisture away from the skin. Do not bring cotton long underwear; if it becomes wet it fails to insulate.

UNDERWEAR: Enough for your personal needs, non-cotton is best.

BATHING SUIT: While it can be chilly, most of the places we go have either natural hot springs or access to hot tubs to warm up at the end of the day.

PRESCRIPTION MEDICATIONS: Make sure you bring an adequate supply for the trip.

ONE-QUART WATER BOTTLE OR HYDRATION PACK: Onequart water bottle or hydration pack for each person. Clean, potable water is available at all lodge locations on our trips. We are a plastic water bottle-free company; please help us reduce plastic waste by bringing your own water bottle.

SMALL FLASHLIGHT OR HEADLAMP: LED headlamps are great because they don’t use a lot of battery.

INSECT REPELLENT: Creams and pumps are more environmentally friendly than aerosols.

Optional Items:

SUNGLASSES & SUNSCREEN: We are optimists, and sunshine even in the Arctic can be strong at times.

TRAVEL ALARM CLOCK: Battery operated.

BINOCULARS: Highly recommended and some guests feel that these are mandatory!

CAMERA/BATTERIES/TRIPODS: Don’t forget extra batteries for your camera. Some types of camera batteries can be difficult to find in remote areas. Use of drones is prohibited on our trips.

HIKING POLES: If you prefer to explore the backcountry with hiking poles, please bring ones that pack easily (telescoping).

Why choose Big Chill Adventures?

No one on a Big Chill Adventures’ trip is looking at their watch. They’re too immersed in their surroundings—always a stunning marriage of exotic and Arctic. Each destination is handpicked by Big Chill Adventures’ founders, and guides, Sarah Aciego and Mindy Cambiar.

As a professor of Glaciology at the University of Michigan, Sarah approached her mom, Mindy, in 2014 about leading small group tours to her beloved research site, Greenland. A graduate of the Rocky Mountain School of Photography, Mindy embraced the idea of sharing her technical skills with travelers.

Within a year, Big Chill Adventures had guided several groups of curious lovers of colder destinations. Due to popular demand, itineraries to Iceland were soon added to the trip roster and Dr. Emily Stevenson, a PhD graduate of Oxford University’s geochemistry program, joined the mother daughter duo. Combined, they bring more than 40 years of experience and expertise in their respective fields.

While every Big Chill adventure accentuates its destination’s most remarkable features, each trip is also tailored to reward travelers with experiences based on their individual preferences. Want to soak your stress away in a natural hot spring? Sarah knows the least-crowded one. Care to capture the spirit of Icelandic horses on camera? Mindy will show you how to leverage natural lighting. Need to know the composition of the volcanic rocks you’re standing on? Emily is your girl.

And if you feel like just standing there, gazing at a natural phenomenon you can’t see at home, that’s okay too. Even the Big Chill guides get speechless sometimes.

Read about Big Chill’s accolades in the Press:

Big Chill’s Sustainability Statement

Mission: Connecting people with destinations offering pristine beauty, diverse cultures and exotic wildlife, while improving lives and protecting places through travel and tourism.

Belief: Travel and tourism can protect the world’s natural and cultural riches and create economic opportunity.

Strategy: Because it has become one of the world’s largest industries, tourism has the potential to alleviate poverty, hunger, gender inequality and environmental degradation in the world’s most vulnerable regions. In order to do our part Big Chill Adventures makes the following commitments:

Big Chill eschew mass tourism for small groups, conservation and involvement with the local and indigenous communities we travel to.

Group size is never larger than 10 participants and 2 guides. The intimate size of the group ensures a unique experience and also limits the environmental impact. Big Chill takes measures to reduce its own ecological footprint by offsetting the emissions from its office activities and travel, planting one tree through the non-profit One Tree Planted, for every person who participates in the tours. We also believe in disposing of our trash in the most ecologically friendly manner in any locale.

Travellers are encouraged to support local communities and are taken by Big Chill tour guides to markets, homes and workshops where local artisans sell their goods.

Finally, you should know that Big Chill treat local people with respect and fairness; they eat and sleep at accommodations owned by locals and, if needed, hire local guides to work with. This pays back immensely because well cared for locals let you get closer to their culture, their people & their nature.

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5.00 based on 1 review
Sandip Nerang
September 5, 2016

I had a great trip to Greenland with Big Chill Adventures this August. Thanks to Sarah and Mindy for an amazing adventure. Their well-executed planning, depth of knowledge, and customer service takes away the stress of logistical planning (transportation, food, accommodation, equipment, etc.) and allows you to focus on comfortably enjoying the unique experience and the landscape that very few people in this world have ever seen. They really really really take care of you and give you an experience of a lifetime!! I enjoyed walking over the glaciers, hiking, photographing Arctic wildlife, watching glacial streams turn into raging rivers, and waterfalls all thanks to Sarah and Mindy. I would highly recommend Big Chill Adventures to all my family and friends. Needless to say, my next “bucket list” trip will be with them again.

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